Have you looked into YA novel promotion? You will need to if you want people to read that young adults’ novel you have worked so hard to write. So I thought I would share this rambling Zoom conversation I just had with @KeriBarnum, the book promotion expert Incubation Press has recently teamed with, and Morri Stewart, author of the recently self-published YA novel Faltofar.
Our talk ranged from YA novel promotion, especially focusing on Amazon and blog tours to sales copy and audio books. If you watch the video, you’ll be able to see Keri’s shared screen. Since the transcript below won’t have that, I suggest you try to find Amazon pages that relate to the YA novel promotion conversation.
If you’re about to look into YA novel promotion, or any kind of book promotion, I would suggest you check out Incubation Press’s book promotion packages, since we’ve tried to make everything as simple and budget-friendly as possible. I can also arrange a three-way chat with Keri about your book. So please reach out.
Keri: So let’s talk about your YA novel promotion. Obviously, your book came out fairly recently. Tell me what you’ve done and what your goals are for your book.
Morri (01:54):
Okay. So it went “live” May 20th. At this point I have a website, I don’t know if either you or Linden have had a chance to look at that. I’ve done a couple blogs on that, but you know, it’s wonderful to have a website, you know, how you generate traffic to that website is another thing how you mowed it. Obviously it was a, a treat on a creative process to do that as well. I paid about, I think 190 for a package deal on Goodreads and a review just came out from there. That was a really quite, you know, it was as if I’d paid her to say something nice that positively. I am still playing with the idea. I ran this by Linden and I think this might be a really good one to throw out to you.
Morri (02:59):
I spent a lot of time at a local independent bookstore here in town writing and I acknowledged them in the book. I know traffic to independent bookstores are diminished, you know, as is a lot of things. My thought is, and I don’t know how much this has done is to speak to the owner of that store. See if there’s a way we could do a couple sessions interaction about Linden’s incubation press the whole packaging that she puts together for self-publishing. She and I both are really good friends with another one of her authors whose nonfiction David Roselle input from David is nonfiction and myself as fiction. And trying to have this copacetic promote and for incubation press for my book for David’s book and for the independent bookstore. And I don’t know how much that’s been done that.
Keri (04:04):
So that’s what I had. Yeah. it is done. Sometimes it is honestly much harder to work with a bookstore like that. It would be different if it was all the same genre. If it’s one publisher or one press bringing, or even a small group that are all young adult fantasy or that are fiction, you know, in the fantasy genre, then they can have events and call it a fantasy event. But when you were going nonfiction fiction it’s split personalities. It doesn’t tend to work well. And it doesn’t tend to market well for the books, but for this self-publishing component, it might be an interesting tie, right? No bookstores are generally not going to put themselves out there tied to self-publishing. Got it. Okay. Because self-publishing does have a stigma. Now with that said, self-publishing done well, can stand up in the game and can be a contender, but overall there is enough poorly done self-publishing that Indies tend to steer clear from openly supporting anything that’s causing or calling attention to self-publishing.
Linden (05:33):
So they’ll support the book, but not necessarily the yeah. The idea of self-publishing. Yeah, exactly. Yes. I think the other thing I’m more, I guess it’s one of the reasons why I’ve been not completely gung ho about this is I think, as you saw with the library, you know, we’ll get a dozen people, maybe, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s sort of like you know, I, I like the idea of putting effort into something that’s really going to pay off. And, you know, for example I spent in two different, I boosted an ad for busting the breast ceiling spent $75 and it got over 6,000 views, no 8,000 views. Yeah. I got a ton.
Linden (06:25):
Sorry. So anyway, no, I, I think that before we kind of worry about, you know, the, the, the bookstore promotion, I would love to hear what Keri is proposing in terms of best bang for the buck.
Morri:
Gotcha.
Keri:
Especially in that genre, you know, a blog tour I think would for you. I mean, I love the fact you’re thinking about me and that’s, that’s sweet and adorable and fabulous. And I’m, I think we might be able to do an online, something in the bookstore and maybe they would go for that. They’re there, you don’t carry. It’s the kind of place that has couches and coffee, and it’s, it’s more of a community. And so that might potentially work, but I would love to hear Keri, what you are thinking in terms of where you would take Morrie’s book, right.
Keri (07:22):
Indie bookstore is fine, is great. You can even ask them to carry your book. Like you can ask to speak to the owner and say, you know, you guys were such a big part of it. I just love you so much. Would you consider carrying my book? And I will tell everyone locally that if they want a copy, they can come here and buy it. So that’s been done. I was also listed we have this publication called cascades arts and entertainment. And three weeks ago I was kind of their featured. They, they have a list each week of arts and entertainment activities in the air, in the community. They listed me there. They have a copy of the book. They’re going to do a book review next month of the book. In addition to that, the gentleman I mentioned, who’s the nonfiction writer that Linden worked with. David Rosell has Rosell Wealth Management. And I was sent out in a newsletter to, I don’t know, thousands of whatever followers. And so as those came out, I stopped by the bookstore and dropped off of one of my books that I was headed out of town. And I just said, I wanted to give you a heads up that this is going out in our community. And I’m hoping that you get the feedback to that. People want to purchase here, but I haven’t followed up since then.
Linden (08:50):
Good. But also, so that’s a small piece though right now.
Keri (08:56):
I think online sales will be your main push. I do think for your book the reviews that you have are fantastic, however, especially on Amazon, there’s a limited number. There’s seven reviews. 90% of eBooks in the past year were bought right on Amazon through Kindle and 48% of physical books were bought through Amazon. So reviews there really do matter. So I think that a blog tour would fit well with your genre, a blog tours, what a blog tour is. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So a block tour is where you sign up. I personally, you can do it yourself, but that’s ridiculous. Third cheap enough that you should pay for one. And a blog tour is where you use a company who has contacts in blogging and they will take your book and they will put it out to their list and ask people to review it, to feature it in a very concentrated amount of time.
Keri (10:05):
Typically it’s a week long. So then you are in a week, you’re getting people blogging, which is really good for SEO. When they’re mentioning your book and linking to your website into your Amazon sales page you are usually about a third of them will leave reviews. Not only on their blog sites, but many of them will also leave reviews on Amazon. Oh, good. Okay. Yup. It’s not required, but many of them do. And so it’s a good way to get reviews that you can put in your editorial reviews that you can use in your marketing as well as a good way to boost your SEO and maybe find some new readers. And some of them I don’t want to stick my foot in my mouth here. This is young adult, correct? Correct. Okay, good. Some of them, the one that I automatically thought of for you is why a bound book tours. I printed out your information. Yes, I get that. And they are, gosh I haven’t looked at their pricing structure recently, but they are not expensive. I mean, they really just aren’t. So for, let’s even look at it here for what essentially is going to be a hundred bucks for a hundred dollars, you get 20 stops for $125. You get 25 stops. Like third top tier is $200. And that’s like their top tier. And with that let me see. And so are those
Linden (11:54):
Are they guaranteed to do anything [regarding this YA novel promotion]? What does a stop mean?
Keri (12:05):
A stop means is that, that that means they are participating. They may participate as a reviewer. They may simply feature the book on their blog and on their social media, they may do an author interview or have you do a guest post different ways they do try the, the blog company tries to make sure that you get, I would say at least a quarter of your stops as reviews. They know you want reviews, so they work to make sure that there’s a nice mix in there. And your book genre leads itself to reviews. It’s not like, Hey, read this really dry novel about, I don’t know, the Catholic sacrament and how it came to be or something. And then write a review. Like those get less reviews. I’ll be honest. But your book is something that people tend to want to devour and review.
Keri (13:04):
So I wouldn’t imagine that being a hard thing. And again, you don’t have to go top tier, but they’re top tier for 40 different steps, which means 40 different people are going to be talking about you linking to your website link. I mean, the SEO on that is amazing for July. I need to be a goober. What is S C O optimism? So it will help. It will give you, so when people, when you go to a bookstore and you say, Hey, I’d love you to carry my book. And they do what people do. And we get on Google on the we’re like, Oh, let me just Google this Morri Stewart. You have a bunch of links that pop up that show that you’ve been promoting and things like that.
Keri:
So it helps not only in the sense that when you are asking people to carry your book, they can see you’ve been doing things, but it also helps people just find your website because the way that it works is the more that people link to your website, the more that people visit your website optimization.
Keri (14:11):
Exactly. Google’s brain goes, Oh, people like this website, I should show it more often. So it works really well. And the same thing actually happens for Amazon. The more people that, that come to your book page from an outside link for Amazon, Amazon says, people are looking for this book. I need to put it in the searches and they start doing that for free naturally.
So obviously when there are a million books published every year, when you can stand out from the million, it’s really, really good. That’s probably the hardest part of book sales is just being seen. Right. Okay. So, so in your opinion at this point is my best bet then to go directly to why a bound book tours and go for the top tier. I mean, it’s certainly, I, I spent almost that amount at good reads and I got one review, probably not my best investment of money after I kind of glanced at these.
Linden (15:15):
Would that be your recommendation [regarding this YA novel promotion]?
Keri:
My recommendation [regarding this YA novel promotion] would be to go to wire bound book tours, send her the link to your book and say, I’m considering a blog tour. I am looking at either 20 or 40 stops. Do you think that if I signed up for 40, that you would be able to get that many? They’re very honest because what they don’t want to happen is you to sign up for 40 steps and then they can’t get it. They want to look good. And generally I’ve had times where we had a book, we thought we would get tons of signups and it didn’t. We signed up for, I think, 40, and we ended up with 25. So what you do, she run, she said, well, then I’m refunding your money back to where the 25 step was. Okay. Have them access my link to my website. I give them your website, the link directly to Amazon and say, Hey, my first, my first blog tour, I’m really looking for an honest opinion of your suggestion for how many steps I should do. And it’s over at way Y bound her name is Sarah lovely person. Okay.
Keri (16:33):
And as far as bang for the buck [regarding this YA novel promotion], and this is something you can do on your own they will like guide you through everything they need from you. Okay. And for the most part, you respond to their emails and if they say, Hey, I need a JPEG of your cover. You send it over. And you’re good.
Morri:
Wonderful. Okay. So you can do that and be very cost effective. So in your email, when you were responding to Linden and me, you talked about a KDP bundle.
Keri (17:09):
That’s where I was going next. So [regarding this YA novel promotion], the KDP bundle that I do is where we’re optimizing your, your page, essentially. We’re making sure your sales page, your Amazon sales page that also yep. Your author page on Amazon, through author central, as well as your page. And actually, is it okay with the two of you? If I share my screen, of course, I always ask, like, it’s going to stop me. I’m all right. Let me know. Can you see the screen up here? Yep. All so we can see here. The things that I would be looking at are, obviously we need more reviews. You have your look inside, which is good. The look inside feature means that they can read random snippets of your book. So that’s good. Good job. They do that automatically. So then I’d be looking at your pricing, all that kind of stuff.
Keri (18:15):
Then what I’m looking at is your description [regarding this YA novel promotion]. So your description, not the actual words of the description, but do you see how this is just one big block of text? Yes. It’s hard to read. And when someone goes to your page on Amazon, if they clicked through it through an ad or a blog tour, you’ve got about four seconds to keep them on your page. Okay. It’s much easier to do that. If you have a, a, a call out a one liner that grabs their attention. So they keep reading. Got it. It’s easier if there’s more white space and you create some paragraphs in here, so that there’s space for them to read because the eye it’s pleasing to the eye when there’s more space. So these are the types of things that we would help you with making sure that you were set up so that when you get people to your page, they stay on your page and they go on to click and purchase.
Keri (19:17):
Okay. Same thing. Talk about the author page, right? Yep. That’s next. Okay. We would also be looking at your right here, where you’ve got your categories. I don’t know if you know, but you can send in multiple categories and ask them to rank to put you in those categories. And what I do [regarding this YA novel promotion] is I’m actually looking at books like yours and trying to help you find the most niche categories we can get you in because teen and young adult literature and fiction, there’s a lot of books in there, a heck of a lot. And you can see that you’re ranking there’s 15,000, which is actually not bad by the way, but 15,000, if we could get you into teen and young adult fantasy romance, which is much more niche, then I’m not saying that’s a great fit. But just as an example, then you can rank much higher.
Keri (20:16):
The higher you rank, the higher Amazon SEO feeds in and says, this is a great book. We should show it for free to people. Okay? So that’s part of what we’re doing [regarding this YA novel promotion] is helping you pick the right categories that are true, but niche down so that you can rank higher. And if you can get into the top 100, you officially make an Amazon bestseller list. And if you make an Amazon bestseller lists, they start showing your book and more searches and people actually search the best seller list. Actually they’ll go through and pick books off of there. So it’s all about optimizing this. We in no way want to be dishonest. I’m not trying to put you into like liability insurance, because I think you’ll, you’ll rake that doesn’t no good in the end, but it’s about optimizing to make sure that when you are getting attention, you’re getting as much from it as possible.
Linden (21:13):
Let me ask you a question [regarding this YA novel promotion]. One of the, the discussions that Morri and I have had quite a bit is that I’m sure Harry Potter is ranked as a young adult novel, but as we all know it’s been read by everybody. And so does it make any sense to choose one category that’s not teen, teen and young adult potentially, or does it make sense to stay in that?
Keri (21:42):
There is one, actually there’s a category called new adult. I would consider new adult. So young adult is considered 13 to 18 year olds. New adult is 18 to 22. So I would maybe consider that because also those categories are newer. So they have less books in there, easier to rank as far as adult. I think you can put it in there, but the adult categories are usually more competitive. Got it. Okay. That is why you don’t often see, even though Harry Potter couldn’t make it in there. That’s why you don’t usually see it in there.
Morri (22:19):
Got it; makes sense.
Keri (22:22):
So that’s part of it. And then [regarding this YA novel promotion] we also go over to your author page. So one of the things you told me, you just got a great review over a good read. Did they also leave that review over on Amazon? I don’t know. Okay. Good news is if they didn’t, can I not as a starred review, but you can put it in as an editorial review. Well, you can. I mean, you can look at your reviews and read them and see if it pops up, but I’m going to pull up Amazon again. Give me a second. Let me just pull up. I know she’s got editorial reviews. So an editorial review, when you’re looking at it, you see these reviews right here. This is any review. That is not a starred review. Typically, if you get, if you do a blog tour and you get great blog reviews and they don’t put them on Amazon, you can put them up here.
Keri (23:27):
If you have a great Goodreads review that doesn’t transfer over, you could put it over here. Now you don’t want, what was that? Is that my author page. Now I’m going to show you it’s on your sales page. See, this is Hanks’ actual book page. Okay. So sales page bottom, but that’s not how you access it, but it’s editorial review editorial review, and that’s all done through author central. So carry a starred review means what that it’s been automatically contributed to Amazon by a starred review means that they rate with stars and they put it on by a, like they went through their account and reviewed it. So it’s sort of a, it’s a reader review. Yes. Our reader review. Yes. And we need a minimum of 15.
Keri (24:24):
So you, you aim for a minimum of 15, but you can go through and through author central, you can do editorial reviews because it sucks if they don’t put it over on Amazon. However, if it’s a really great review, we want to get it up there somehow some way. And that’s where editorials reviews come through and that’s all through author central. So then the last part of the KDP bundles, I’m looking at your author central account or your account here and I’m going, okay, what can we optimize [regarding this YA novel promotion]? You’ve claimed your book as a paperback and Kindle. That’s good. We can see that your book is up here.
Keri (25:24):
I noticed right away you don’t have your website on here–to learn more visit Morri at. So it’s little things like that that we go through and we give you a whole report of things that you can optimize. There are ways to put up pictures and videos and book trailers on your author, central page, you can link your blog. All of those things, that’s kind of what the KDP bundle is, is not only do we go through with a fine tooth comb and tell you what you can optimize, then we have step by step, how to videos. So you can do it really easily and quickly to make sure that if you get people on your Amazon page, you make the most of that connection.
Keri (26:42):
So plus the categories and giving you things you can use for your ads is what the KDP bundle is all about is it’s optimizing your presence on Amazon. And again, Amazon is, I would actually say last year in 2019, they were 48% of print books for sales. I would bet 2020 it’ll be even higher with everything that’s been going on. So optimizing your page here is so central to getting sales, because if, I mean, look at it, if you’re looking at your book and you’re looking at
Speaker 5 (27:22):
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Keri (27:25):
I’m on the struggle bus today. But if I’m looking at this and I’m looking at now, I won’t even use Hanks because Hanks unfair because she’s a huge she’s huge. Let’s see. I want you to say that Sunday about me. Totally. I would like to say that about you. Let’s see Melody Johnson. I’m trying to find someone who’s kind of like, kind of where you’re at in the in the, there we go. Okay. Alright. So you can see, see, she didn’t do what either. I’m going to have to email her and tell her she knows better. It’s a blocky. I can see it’s blocky. Exactly. You know what I mean? It doesn’t take, I think what it is, it’s like the example I always revert back to is you don’t know what a mortgage is like until you have a mortgage on the home.
Morri (28:23):
Right. So I’m learning and I’m seeing, and I’m addressing and understanding. I just don’t know how to access it.
Linden:
So the other thing more that Keri has talked about [regarding this YA novel promotion] is taking a look at books that are like yours and looking at their sales pages, especially the ones that are doing well, obviously.
Keri:
Yes, yes. Go find your categories, go to the bestseller lists on Amazon and see how they’re doing well. So this is just one example. This is an old one, but you can see how there’s a call out right away. There’s some, there’s some visual interest here, right? That calls things out. And then there’s reviews on here. Like there are different things going on that it’s, it’s like, I’m not, you’re not even going to get all the way to the starred reviews before you start hearing good things about the book. And so that’s kind of how you make it work.
Keri (29:19):
And notice this book again. I know they’re not marketing this one right now. This book is at 862,000 on Amazon. Remember yours was in 250,000, I believe, but his rankings are higher than yours because he’s in more specific categories and he will be searched more easily. He will show up in more searches without trying simply because of that optimization. So this is, I know it sounds like a lot, but it’s completely doable. It’s not hard. You just have to know the things to look for. Right. and then once you get optimized, you can run out. I would also in your Kindle, your in children’s categories, that’s gotta change This book. Won’t sell. And children’s, I mean, obviously it won’t solve children’s and a good way to look at that again, click on the link. This is the category. You’ve got your book and right now, Whoa. Yeah. I mean, you can look at it and go, yeah, that doesn’t fit.
Morri (30:42):
Yeah. Okay. Quick question [regarding this YA novel promotion]. This is a little bit of an aside. I have had multiple people ask if my book is an audio book that that’s all they do now is audio. What’s your thoughts? Even Linden, both. What are your thoughts on investing in that? And then I was also looking at, I put an ad in Upworks for people with background in audio that kind of a recording, et cetera. And, and the impression I got from individuals is yes, they love audio books too. They would really like to hear it be the author who beads the book. And it seems to me I could do a test run, but I mean, my undergrad degree is enacting and I’ve written this book. So that might be a really good fit. But I wanted your guys’ input on that.
Keri (31:44):
Audio books are creeping up. They are, I believe about 37% of the market right now. Or at least 37% of readers do listen to them. I think they are great. If you’ve got the money, if you’ve got the time, I would not launch an audio book until your paperback had been out a year. Interesting, because it brings new life into your paperback. In your eBook. You can essentially restart sales by launching an audio book, but you don’t want to do it too close to your original launch. Because then you muddy the waters as far as you reading it. If you, if you do a test run and if it’s smooth, then it works great. Sure. However, if it is not, it’s really important to recognize that and let someone who’s been, because not just being able to do voices or to get into the personality it’s can you read smoothly? Can you change the voices? Are you so used to reading through your manuscript that you will mentally skip words as you’re reading? I know it sounds silly, but I’ve actually seen authors run into these things because they’re so familiar with their book that it’s actually harder for them than for someone who’s coming in kind of fresh.
Morri:
Right. That makes sense. All of that makes sense. I, you know, constructive, you can’t offend me constructive criticism.
Linden (33:14):
In some cases the authors pay to have them published. And in some cases, the audio book comes to the author and the author gets paid. Is that, is, am I understanding that correct?
Keri (33:46):
When you do audio book, generally, you’re going through one of two places, either ACX, which is Amazon’s Amazon stronghold of books that goes directly to audible, or you are going through find a way voices with either option. Typically you either go exclusive and it costs less for you to do your audio book and your royalties are based on that. Or you pay more in the beginning in order to not go exclusive. So if I say, I don’t want to just do audible for Amazon. I want to be able to get into chirp and Kobo and use my book on overdrive and blah, blah, blah. Then I will pay more upfront for the distribution. Either way, typically the publishing entities who actually collects the money which if you’re self-publishing, that would be the author, but just know that you’re, you have to use it platform for district distribution and ACX is kind of the audio KDP ACX right? Yes. ACA
Morri (35:00):
Yeah. That’s what my research
Keri (35:02):
That, and the other one is find a way voices.
Morri (35:10):
I’m thinking that didn’t Barb, just go through somebody else?
Keri (35:16):
I think that’s the company she used, but I am fairly certain her book is up on ACX.
Morri (35:22):
Okay. So, but cause I know that she used a new company that she said was tons more thorough and she liked them a lot. And I can kind of try to find that email.
Keri (35:32):
Yeah, for sure. I actually talked to Barb tomorrow. She’s going to be a guest on free advice Fridays. I should ask. Do you know anything about Upwork’s Upworks I’ve heard of, I’ve not used them before. There’s lots of different places like them. I actually have friends who’ve been on Upworks. You’re fine. It’s a fine place to, to find talent. I know find a way voices does something like it. I believe ACX also does something like it. So it’s just a matter of, a lot of it. You’ll actually find a lot of the talent will be on all of these places as smart people do. So it’s fine to use them. They’re generally, you’re just paying your narrator separately from what you’re paying for your distribution. So it all works out the same, essentially.
Linden (36:35):
So basically there, those are the areas just for talent. Yes, yes. What I was included. So Barb basically sold her audio rights to podium. So that’s, that was my question. At what point are you selling your audio rights as opposed to having to pay, to get the audio produced when you have a following and that’s so that’s what Barb has created, right? I mean, Barb has a, her books are in demand. And she has a large following she’s making consistent reads and listens and all of that. Yeah, I mean, it’s just, it’s just like in publishing, if you go through a traditional publisher, they pay you for your manuscript, right?
Keri (37:29):
Yeah. Same kind of idea. And most of the time, many times, even those places will seek the author out because they will see that they’re making money and they want a part of it. And in exchange they make the author’s life easier. Right. So in a year from now, that’s exactly what will happen with mine. Exactly. Well, and it may, if you can get, if you can get your book to really take off in actually blog tour, tandoor media is known for this and why if you can get your book to start selling really well, the paperback and the eBook tantra media is a company that is known for looking out for books that are selling well and paperback. And then they will go to the author and offer to create an audio book and pay the author royalty much like much like a traditional publisher would. So they take it and they make it and then they promote it. And you just sit back and take your cut. Wow. No,
Linden (38:38):
That’s what happened with my dad’s the last Jews in Berlin we got approached about when we sold them the audio rights, we didn’t sell it for much, but we didn’t have to pay for anything.
Keri (38:49):
Exactly. And that’s kind of what a lot of people say is they’re like, no, I’m not getting the full profit off it, but I’m also not putting the money up front. I get royalties. It’s easier for me. They have a full team of people. I’m like, rod
Morri (39:07):
Does that. The, the audio then can go to multiple places.
Keri (39:12):
It depends on their deal with you. Chandler does a lot directly with Amazon and KDP but the, sometimes they go elsewhere, it just depends on the contract.
Morri (39:25):
Okay. So we kind of got,
Morri (39:26):
I checked with the audio, but that answers, I’m not going to put my energy into the audio right at the moment. I think where I need to focus is Katie Pete bundle and the why a band book tours.
Keri (39:39):
Yes. That is what I would focus on. Once you get that up and running, then you can start looking at like Amazon and Facebook ads, as Linden said, Facebook ads are fantastic because it’s a great way to get a lot of awareness to show your book to a lot of readers for a relatively low amount. I mean, when I’m working with people on Facebook, I usually say budget $50 a month for ads. If we can find your audience, which is the hard part, then you only need to spend a limited amount of money. That’s what we did with Linden, with busting the brass ceiling, we found the right audience. So that her $25 got her tons of extra. I mean, I was looking on Facebook the other day. There were like a hundred comments on that Facebook posts.
Morri (40:29):
Oh there’s yeah. There’s, there’s even more because remember the 25 was the second go around. So between the $50 spend and the $25 spend, I’ve figured out that the book got like 8,000 views and something like, I don’t even remember how it it’s in the hundreds of comments. It’s not just 100, it’s more like three to 500 comments or
Keri (40:52):
No, it doesn’t always happen quite like that. But that is the power of finding your audience on Facebook and how you can spend a low amount of money, again, $50 a month. If you get, if you get 10 books sales, then you’re, I mean, you’re not doing, you’re not profitable, but you’re doing okay.
Morri (41:15):
Wait, how Barb cultivated her? You know, I mean, it took years, but she, she worked really hard on Facebook to cultivate that audience and it has paid off huge.
Keri (41:25):
Oh yeah. Now she’s got over 25,000 people on her Facebook.
Morri (41:29):
That’s so amazing. Yeah. So, so Gary, did you give Morri a prize for the, cause I know what my price is, but the price for the KDP bundle. So she knows what that is.
Keri (41:46):
No, I have not.
Morri (41:49):
So she’ll be going straight through you, not for me. So whatever price you quote her is that’s
Morri (41:56):
And I think that was my next question, Keri, if I to hire you for your services, that would be for the KDP. Okay. If you, I will give you if you are confident and ready. So the way that it works is I give you a report and I give you video tutorials of you. This is what I need you to do. Here’s the video, go watch it and do it. And if you have a question, let me know. If you were willing to do that legwork, I will give you the back end price of $900. Okay. And that, that covers all, a lot of the stuff that we just went over. As far as the author page, the yada yada yada it’s categories, it’s helping with your metadata, keywords, price, review, and suggestions. Getting you HTML for your marketing, copy doing your author central review, I’m helping you find 10 authors to target giving you keywords.
Keri (42:54):
So you can run your own ads on Amazon, as well as a video showing you how to set up an ad or those ads. In addition to the pricing for the KDP bundle with you, that’s all included. But when you run your ads, KDP ads, you pay with a budget per day. And you can choose anywhere. You can start, I believe at $2 a day. And that’s something I also give suggestions on is if I were you, I would run ads at this amount for this amount of time, but you can run those whenever. And however you, like, I provide you with what you need to run them, but you can say, Hey, I got to save up to run some ads and I’ll do that next month. That’s totally up to you.
Morri (43:37):
Okay. Okay.
Keri (43:43):
Yup. So that’s 900. And then, like I said, I think you should go to wire bound book tours for that. And the top tier of that one is 200.
Morri (43:54):
Okay.
Keri (43:56):
Yeah. I mean, I, this, you can write a book, it’s one thing, but you need to then put the effort into the marketing of it as well. And I think your expertise is really important and key. So I would like to pursue that. Okay. I will send you an official proposal with that on there. Certainly go right away on book tours. They can sometimes have a waiting list. So like it, you probably won’t get a tour September 1st. It’ll probably be October, maybe even early November. So reach out to Sarah quickly, which can be nice in a way it’s a little closer to holiday. Yes. It’s closer to holiday and it also gives you time to get everything. I mean, if they’re going to send people over to your Amazon page, let’s get that looking awesome before that happens anyway. So I can send you that, do that.
Keri (44:49):
And then I think once you get everything on Amazon set up, then we can talk and see if Facebook ads or what have you would be a good option for you. But again, that’s low budget for the most part. And that’s something that I’m very confident and you sound like you’re a go getter and can set things up. So if you have a little bit of direction, I think you could probably do that. But the first step is making sure that your Amazon page again is optimized so that when it does you no good to get people to your page, if they’re not going to buy, because you’re not calling attention to the right thing. So let’s do that first make sense. That makes absolute sense. Okay. All right. I’m sure that there are questions I haven’t asked you. And until you know me better, I will just direct and pastor Lindon, incessantly, that’ll bring wine girlfriend always sit across the yard, throw rocks at each other. It’s my turn.
Linden (45:54):
That’s is bad. You’re on the wrong coast. You’re just too far away, but you know what I do wind zooming. That’s the thing also. I mean, there have been times where I’m like, I don’t want to drink alone. You want to zoom and then you have to put on your onesie. Well, and that’s pretty much, I’m like, if I trust you to watch me drink wine, then you’re going to get me in all my glory. And it is what it is. I’m okay. I do have to run, but I’ll get this over to you, Marie. If you have questions about any of this, let me know. Okay. When did I, Oh, go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say Linden, did I miss anything? Did we, I know we’d talked about okay. You know, if you did, we’ll be back in judge. But yeah, no, I think, I think this was super helpful.
Linden (46:53):
And next time we do this, Keri, I’m going to ask you if I can record you and throw it on one of my blogs, because you’re really good at explaining everything. And it’s just great. So I appreciate it. Oh, well thank you. And actually I’m recording. Yeah. You guys don’t kill me. I should have told you this before we are recording. So if you want this recording, give it to you. Yeah. Awesome. Is that okay? More? Well, I would, I would love a copy so that I can review what you said, because I’m going to be like, Oh my God, what did I was sidetracked? Usually that’s what I, and I say, Hey, so, you know, I’m recording. I can stop it if you’d like, but this is so you can have it. So I forgot to do that.
Morri (47:38):
Mmm.
Keri (47:42):
So I will gladly send this over to you. And you guys can use it.
Linden:
If it’s okay with you like this, this could be a great little audio blog. Yup. Yeah, shoot. I should have fixed my hair better. Well, just so you know, what I will probably do is get it transcribed so that then I can have the SEO for the written piece of it. And that’ll be cool.
Keri (48:10):
Yeah. Awesome.
Morri (48:14):
Thank you so much. And Linden, thank you for the connection. I really appreciate it. I’m moving forward with the marketing aspect of this. I’m excited to see where this goes and I, as, as you can tell, putting the energy in towards some scary stuff and the money is I think gonna pay off better than worrying about yeah. And worrying about staying local and doing the independent bookstore thing. And that makes their investment. Yes, absolutely. So, Keri, I know we’ve got to get you off the phone. Thank you so very much. Thank you.
Keri (48:44):
Thank you too. This will render and then I’ll send you guys the
Morri (48:48):
Cool. Thank you. I look forward to the wine. Oh yeah. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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